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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:52 am 
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I just found this YouTube titled -The History of Newt Scamander. Its 7:47 long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2I6H0e470

It has Spoilers concerning both Fantastic Beast movies, so it needs to in the Spoilers Forum, I'm just not sure if it should be here or have its own Topic. Let me know if you think it needs moved.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:40 am 
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that was interesting - thanks for sharing Figgy!

I also came across this interesting article from The Lexicon (regarding Aurelius Dumbledore) ... (SPOILER ALERTS - IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK)

https://www.hp-lexicon.org/2018/11/16/discussing-the-crimes-of-grindelwald-reveal-major-spoiler-warning/

i agree with his last few lines regarding JKR possibly changing timelines and dates (within the world she created) that fans take as facts. She is likely just moving dates around just to suit her story (which, quite honestly, is getting rather annoying to me). One cannot theorize when the 'facts' are constantly getting changed by Jo.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:00 pm 
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Thanks for this! What a thoughtful article! Its got my brain grinding along!

What if ~

We've been told Albus and Gellert were seriously involved as teens. We all remember going along with our peers until we came to some instance that was so against our inner compass that we, after trying to divert them away from the problematic situation to no avail, were forced to give up and go away from them.

Perhaps, Grindelwald, in striving for power, wanted to create a creature/being that was highly intelligent but able to be commanded to do his bidding, through Dark Magic - and that was what turned Albus from him, though not before he'd stepped outside of his own comfort zone. Let's venture that each of them gave a phial of blood. It could have been for innocent reasons, such as a pact where some of each's would be commingled to dedicate themselves to eachother/the Greater Good/other important concept, but it would also leave some "extra" that Gellert could use for his darker Spells and Creations.

In the movie Grindy tells Creedence that he is Aurelius Dumbledore, brother of Albus. According to this article Jo has said that is both a lie and the truth. What if Creedence is a Homunculus (a half-human being bred by magic) that Grinelwald created from Albus' blood? There could be magical reasons that the blood-donor can't go against his own blood without suffering damage himself, which would explain why Newt has to be the one to deal with Creedence (though Newt dealing with Creedence could also be because Newt is intrinsically kind and wouldn't just obliterate Creedence). There could also be some sort of binding magical pact that Dumbledore can't undo, yet, without some specific items and Spells.

In the movie possession of the phial of blood is important enough that Newt and company get into a battle that distracts the darkside forces and allows the niffler to get the phial. Possession of it has power, possibly protection. With it in Dumbledore's hands, it could be that he now can go against Gellert (but like the Deathly Hallows, there could be other items necessary still to reacquire/get to make its results optimal).
(An interesting turn would be if these extras are connected to Grindy's hideous eye...)


Lots to think about... It does explain some of the contradictory things... and I'm still wondering about the non-Phoenix-like burning sequence. Lots to think about!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 2:25 am 
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I FINALLY got to see it again. Boy did I miss a lot!

When Queenie first meets Grindelwald its in the apartment he took from the Muggles. She sat there fighting off the teapot and trying to be polite to the witch/assistant, then when his servant leaves she stands up still trying to get the teapot to stop bothering her, and then Grindy comes into the room. She immediately whips out her wand, even says something about him being evil, definitely threatens to hit him with a Spell. But he sort of mesmerizes her, talking, and gently takes her wand from her.

(As much as I missed before, I may have missed him returning it to her this time, but) I don't remember her having it again. Did he keep it? He has The Elder Wand, and disarmed her. Is there some other power conveyed by that? Does he control her now because he and the Elder Wand took hers? It certainly seemed like she was under a Spell of some sort. Since he's one of the most powerful wizards of the time, and she tried to cast a defensive Spell on him, it seems logical that he could have enough control over his magic to not kill her, but own her... or perhaps its even a completely separate Spell, done non-verbally, that he put on her... or the tea?

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We see Dumbledore pull the cover from the Mirror of Erised and see the younger versions of himself and Grindelwald making the blood pact. Should we believe that? The Mirror shows what the viewer wants, not necessarily what is. At the end, as Newt hands DD the phial he says/asks if it is a Blood Oath that neither will go against the other, but again, should we accept Dumbledore's answer at face value? We know DD has been known to not be entirely truthful when it suits his purposes. Could he have made the promise not to go against Grindy, but Grindy not have made the same to him? In the Mirror, Grindelwald flinched when their hands/blood came together - could that indicate Dumbledore's was stronger/his purpose purer, or that Grindy's intentions weren't sincere/dedicated enough, so the magic burned? Why did he seem in pain when the cut palms touched?

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Young Leta's on the ship, tired/jealous of her crying baby brother, switches him with the quiet kid across the hallway, the ship sinks, the lifeboat with her real brother and the woman across the hallway in it gets flipped over, and that baby sinks.

We don't know Credence's lineage. He's not a LeStrange 'cause that kid drowned/sank. How does this random-across-the-hallway-kid have so much magical power?

Who was across the hallway? Did they both drown? We see her being unable to swim to the sinking baby, but maybe she was able to get herself out. If she's a witch, why couldn't she "accio" the sinking baby - or did she and we just don't know that part yet? Who was across the hallway?


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Why does it look like windblown cloth when Grindy calls his followers? What does that symbolize?

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:51 pm 
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I know ... so much information to process.

I asked myself the very same questions when the mirror was introduced. Personally, I think they changed the mirror of erised to just a mirror that shows the past (or thoughts of the past) ... they changed the makeup of the mirror to suit their story telling needs. Or ... maybe it is a memory that DD regrets; that (in his heart's desire) he wishes he could change or undo. That would make a more logical explanation if they keep the mirror's magical properties in truth with the HP series.

Queenie's wand ... holy moly ... missed that completely (again) or never gave it a second thought. But now that you mention it .......... hmmmmm interesting

not sure why they use a 'cloak of dark evil' ... WB and Hollywood interpretation is my best guess.

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