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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:35 am 
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I need to see the movie again, there was an awful lot of detail and new info and contemplative things in it.

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Have Grindelwald's different eye colors been explained anywhere?

When Grindelwald is giving the speech, where he he drew the magical circle around himself, he sounds fairly sane, but I wonder why we believe anything he says because we already know he's a bad guy. Which brings me to not believing what he's told Credence. He was using him in the first movie, why would it be any different now? First - its not any significant amount of time later; second - the Phoenix he's using as proof is not how Phoenix habits worked in Harry's books and movies.

Back to the circle - Did it only work against Aurors? He said something about protection from Aurors, but why did it sort of drag on Queenie? Did it block positive energy? What could it key on to let some through and some not?

If the phial gets smashed does it affect both? Did Dumbledore win the duel with Grindelwald in 1945 because he is in possession of it? Was it a vow to never go against the other, or of love, or? Since they are each the strongest wizards of their time, how much power does the commingling of their blood symbolize or actually produce (they intended to rule the magical world after all). (I felt bad that the poor little niffler had to dash through all that dangerous stuff.)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:38 pm 
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I was a little bummed that Queenie crossed through into the circle... I like her.
Could she be "undercover" to get into his good graces for one of the Ministries? Maybe she made a deal so she could have Jacob?

I was really glad he was back, I like him. It set me to wondering if he might have some magical blood in his ancestry. He just accepted it all so easily - and the memory charm didn't affect him like it should have.

I liked all the critters. The baby nifflers are cute. I bet it would take 'em about an hour to level a house, though.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:39 am 
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**COPIED FROM MOVIE THREAD**
ok - still not sure how I feel about the movie. I may have to see it again.
When I left the theatre, I felt ... not sure, cheated, impending doom ... just don't know how to describe it. JKR has taken liberties and is mucking about with one of the favorite characters. If she kills off any of the major characters, I think it will be the severing of my relationship with JKR.

I found the movie to be "dark". I know there were some 'chuckle' moments, but certainly not like the last movie. This movie has "Impending Doom" driven right down the core/spine. Grindy uses and abuses everything for his own personal use ... there is no limit to his selfishness or abuse in his quest for the Greater Good. (sounds like any other politician or country ruler, doesn't it).

those are my first thoughts ... will write more later
ps ... HUGE PET PEEVE ... Dumbledore would NEVER have worn a 3-piece suit while teaching at Hogwarts!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:53 am 
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I don't believe for a moment that Queenie crossed of her own accord; I believe she was put under a strong spell by Grindle. He knows what she is and wants/needs her powers to help him. ... just my opinion.

the blood vial/vow is an interesting twist. I believe it is a vow between the two that they would never fight each other. They were, afterall, both plotting/planning together at a very young age. Dumbledore came to his senses, Grindle did not.

Unfortunately masses are easily swayed. Look what happened under Hitler's rule. Motivation can come from hate, passion, or 'the greater good'.


Grindle's eyes ... another HUGE PET PEEVE. Why the hell can't Depp just go with the flow. His costume & hair were creepy enough, but no, he had to muck about with the eye. It is beyond creepy. I can barely look at him ... hate it!!!!!. Why the hell did they allow it??? YUCK!

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is Grindle using Credence - in my opinion, yes!!! He want to control that dark force to destroy those who do not follow him ... or to control the muggles ... not sure which, but he wants control/power over Credence's dark side.

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I went to see it with a Potter friend. She has the theory that if Credence actually is a Dumbledore, he is the son of Arianna. We don't have much "canon" on her, but there was specifically never a mention of an additional brother, and we do know she was forced to contain her magic and it would burst out of her when she was angry and the like. My Potter-friend thinks the Obscurus he produces is inherited from her.

I have a problem with how the Phoenix acted when Grindy was trying to convince Credence he is Aurelius. The "cycle" was inverted - a baby bird doesn't burn and rise from the ashes, a used-up old bird does. While it was dramatic, it seemed to be contrived to impress.

You're right that Grindy wants to posses/control Credence's power. I think that in one of the next installments one of the good guys will rescue Credence, but I also think the movies will bring in his little sister , Modesty, pretty soon, and she'll have some good abilities that Grindy will also want to have.

I wonder if the creepy eye thing is some sort of prostheses like Moody's but not removable. Or maybe symbolic like the way Trelawney's glasses symbolize that she doesn't "see" well.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:15 am 
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I don't know too much about the Dumbledore family, really. I kind of presumed that once the family moved to Godric's Hollow and the father went to Azkaban, their relatives wanted nothing to do with them (and vice versa, to protect Arianna). It is very possible that Albus had uncles/aunts or cousins, or other living relatives. How is it possible that a Phoenix can belong to only one family within a world of magical beings? Not sure if we are just being swayed by the notion that only one person we know of actually had a phoenix. Guess I had better do some reading up on this.

I rather like your explanation about the eye - "single minded - single visioned". It is still creepy and ugly as hell though and I really do dislike it!!!! Tom Riddle was a most handsome young man and look what he turned into.

I have been thinking again about Queenie. Now I am second guessing (well, over thinking as usual). At the start of the movie Queenie wasn't quite right emotionally. She was in love, on the run; she even performed a spell on Jacob that was completely out of character (she's just too sweet). She was desperate, and on the run, fearing for both their lives - because we all know what the magical committees would do to Jacob if they found out about him and Queenie.

Maybe she joined Grindle because she believed he was going to make it a better world. When she ended up at Grindle's she was lost, confused and heartbroken. Knowing that she can read minds, Grindle likely put a thought into his head that he would make the world right for her ... (we all know better, but Queenie may have taken his thoughts the wrong way). Maybe she doesn't know what he's about to do.

thinking ahead: theorizing: When Queenie wakes up and realized what is happening (or better yet, realizes what Grindy will do to Jacob), she will be key to Grindle's downfall - she is on the 'inside' after all.

hmmm ... I wonder if they will bring Modesty back into the picture. Interesting thought!

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Oooooh! So much to think about... but I have to get to work.

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"single minded - single visioned". It is still creepy and ugly as hell though and I really do dislike it!!!! Tom Riddle was a most handsome young man and look what he turned into.


Part of why its so creepy is that its the wrong colour and misshapen, showing his vision is distorted and filtering out balanced vision. It will be interesting to see what the immediate reasons behind it are. Did he try some 'power spell' that backfired, did he intentionally do it but it didn't quite work (or he knew it would be creepy to look at but just accepted it as the price for extraordinary abilities or some such thing), was he working on a Potion that hit him in the face, did it happen when he and Albus were fighting (did the Spell that killed Arianna ricochet back at him and 'mark' him for casting it)? I'm wondering if G was coveting the Obscurus in her and (though probably not discussed in those terms between G and Albus) that he was "leading her on", so the big brother put his foot down, and that was what the fight was about. I need to re-find where its explained in the books, but vaguely remember the fight was over power... plus, that would explain why she was even present for the two guys' getting that sideways with each other.

Hmmmm....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:51 am 
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interesting thoughts Figgy. .. interesting indeed, and I wish I could get my brain into that mode
me - I can't get past the idea that it is just a Depp 'move'

how about those cats ... hahahaha, I loved that scene!

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I liked all the "new" critters.

Could theMatagot be a cat-version of Thestrals?
Here's what Wiki says of them ~
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The Matagot is a magical beast that resembles a large, black cat in appearance.[1]

In France, they are used by the French Ministry of Magic for handiwork, such as handling the correspondence and security of some departments. Normally, they are harmless, but when provoked, they turn into very ferocious creatures.[1]

Behind the scenes
A Matagot is a spirit in French folklore that tends to take the form of a black cat. While many Matagots are evil in nature, some can be helpful to humans. If a "wealth-bringing" Matagot is allowed to eat and drink first at every meal, it will give its owner a solid gold coin each morning.[citation needed]
The Matagot closely resembles the specially-bred Sphynx breed of domestic cat, known for its lack of coat (fur).
Upon exiting the wizarding world, they become ordinary cats.[citation needed]
Newt Scamander mentions that they are spirit familiars, which is a subject of much debate and controversy in the fandom.[citation needed] This is because J. K. Rowling has previously stated that "familiars, in the strictest sense, do not exist in the world of Harry Potter",[2] after years of fans debating whether or not Hedwig was Harry Potter's spirit familiar.
It is worth noting that the exact phrasing suggests that, something one could call a familiar may exist, but nothing that rigidly adheres to the archetype of such a thing.


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